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RPGs with Animal PCs - with no thumbs
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There was a previous RPG geeklist on "Furry" games. I found myself in the minority in wanting to separate out those games with Genre "Animal" from those games with Genre "Animal (Anthropomorphic)". And that's okay - I'm used to being in the minority. But it's important to me because I tend to love games where the former is true, but am not thrilled with the more anthropomorphic games.

(Don't get me wrong: Usagi Yojimbo and Uncle Scrooge are my two favorite comics of all time. But for some reason, in gaming I prefer the Watership Down model.)

So, I wish to present a list of games that are just the former: where the player characters are animals, not humans in animal form.

Specifically, in these games:

* the player characters are animals that do not have thumbs;
* the player characters are animals that do not use tools or weapons;
* the player characters are animals that do not play musical instruments;
* the player characters are animals that do not drive vehicles or ride other animals;
* the player characters are animals that do not wear clothing.

There are some minor exceptions: in Bunnies & Burrows, for example, the PCs have woven grass bags. And, in fact, in the original B&B game, the first one ever run back in the mid-1970s, the characters found themselves in a human science lab and mutated to where they *could* use tools, weapons, etc. But that wasn't the original concept of the game.

So, if you know of any others, please add them! But please, no anthropomorphic games. Thanks!
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1. RPG Item: Bunnies & Burrows [Average Rating:8.00 Overall Rank:555]
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The original, and still one of the most fun to play. In fact, it was one of the first ten RPGs ever published. Obviously modeled on Watership Down, the authors expanded rabbits' abilities beyond that book. Still worth playing today.
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2. RPG Item: GURPS Bunnies & Burrows [Average Rating:7.82 Overall Rank:1233]
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The remake of the previous. I wrote this one because I never understood what a "level" meant in the original rules. (I didn't understand "classes" either, until I wrote Sherpa. I still don't understand levels.)

When this was published, Dennis Sustare was kind enough to telephone me and tell me he loved how I captured the feel he wanted in the genre. Thanks, Dennis!
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Steffan O'Sullivan
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I now run this in Fudge, BTW. You can see some of my adaptations at http://www.panix.com/~sos/rpg/fudchar.html#bunny .

I've also run it in Sherpa, and will someday post my bunny characters to that page.
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  • Posted Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:45 pm
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Levels are simple...

You understand skill levels.

Classes are just REALLY broad skills. Class levels are simply how high that class as a skill is...
 
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3. RPG Item: Tales from The Wood [Average Rating:7.20 Overall Rank:3024]
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A very fine product I have yet to play, but am eager to try. I've written a "semi-review", so called because I haven't yet played it.

The game actually includes the option of playing a gnome, which I suspect (though don't know for sure) was added simply because the author met resistance in his gaming group about having to play an animal. At least, I've met that resistance ...
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We did not meet resistance in our group to playing Tales from The Wood - the oppsite , in fact. Hardly anyone ever wanted to play a gnome. Gnomes were added because they seemed to fit and they are the main characters in several books by "BB" - Down The Bright Stream, and others.
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4. RPG Item: Woof Meow [Average Rating:6.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
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I played this one at GenCon the year it came out, and bought a copy. I've run it for my nieces and sister-in-law, who had a good time. The system isn't one of my favorites, but it's not bad, really - I like it better than d20, for example.

I like the cat magic system, and their nine lives.
 
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5. RPG Item: Cat [Average Rating:6.72 Overall Rank:2399]
Steffan O'Sullivan
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I don't own this one, so can't comment on it. I'm definitely interested in this and the next and will probably break down and buy them at some point. I do love cats.
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No thumbs, nifty game - if you're a cat fan.
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  • Posted Thu Aug 6, 2009 2:24 am
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I want to get this one to table...
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  • Posted Sat Aug 8, 2009 6:19 am
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Steffan O'Sullivan
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I now own this one and have written another one of my semi-reviews of it:

http://rpg.geekdo.com/thread/444505

Good game!
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sos1 wrote:
I now own this one and have written another one of my semi-reviews of it:

http://rpg.geekdo.com/thread/444505

Good game!


There is NOTHING "semi" about your reviews. In fact, industry-wide, most reviews of games are pre-play or single session.
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I got this one to table not long after commenting before...

It's "Not quite finished"... John has wonderful ideas, but needs a better editor to make him actually get them cogently and completely down on paper.

It plays, and it's an interesting setting.
 
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6. RPG Item: Cat RPG [Average Rating:4.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
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See note in previous item.
 
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Interesting development:
Cat RPG

The website has stopped offering a free download of the game and instead gives a link for John Wick's Cat
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Boards of Games wrote:
Interesting development:
Cat RPG

The website has stopped offering a free download of the game and instead gives a link for John Wick's Cat

The designer has asked us to remove the details of the listing here as well. We have honored that request by removing the images, back of the book description, designer and publisher information. All links to downloads are also removed. We are hopeful to leave up the shell of the game for those tracking it in their collections.

The designer is a good member of our 'Geek community - has no intention of fighting a legal battle with whomever has sent him a C&D letter. He has made a kind and honest request which we are honoring.

-Dave
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7. RPG Item: Familiars [Average Rating:9.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
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Another one I've written a "semi-review" for and am ready and eager to play. This one is slightly different in that the animal bodies are inhabited by a magical spirit of superior intelligence, but it still counts in my mind because the animal bodies aren't modified at all.
 
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8. RPG Item: It's a Dog's Life [Average Rating:7.77 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
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Prairie Dogs as Native American tribes - shamans, braves, etc.! This is by the same author as Tales from The Wood, above, but I haven't yet gotten around to reading it beyond the introduction. Probably because that d20 mechanic puts me off ...
 
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9. RPG Item: Squirrel Attack! Operation: Get Mr. Jones' Nuts [Average Rating:5.50 Unranked]
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I haven't read this one yet, so no idea what it's like. There are a few supplements, though, so it may be worth looking into.

Long ago, in the early days of the web, there was a free squirrel RPG someone had posted. I can't find even a hint of it now, and I don't think it was this one. Anyone know what I mean? I'd love to track it down.
 
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10. RPG Item: Another Fine Mess [Average Rating:8.60 Overall Rank:1440]
Steffan O'Sullivan
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I've played this adventure - it's great! The player characters are animals owned by a fantasy ranger who's in trouble and needs rescuing. All characters included.
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I've run this a couple of times, for different groups, and always had a blast. It's a nice tight little story, the characters are easy to get into, and wow, is it ever fun.

I was already playing and running Fudge when this game out - but this item was what moved me to meet Ann Dupuis the first time, simply because I liked it so much!

Meeting her booth mate was just an added bonus, of course.
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11. RPG Item: Bad Day at the Lab [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
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Another one I wrote. A weird science adventure - anything else I say will only give it away ...
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12. RPG: Dawg the RPG (2nd Edition) [Average Rating:7.33 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
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Okay, I'm not sure this one belongs here - no one's entered the item for it yet! Anyone have Knights of the Dinner Table #150 and can enter this item?

The reason I believe it's an Animal (as opposed to Animal: Anthropomorphic) game is that Jolly Blackburn once played in one of my B&B games, so knows the genre.

Edit: Okay, thanks to Alan who submitted the item! It does indeed belong on this list.
 
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The Item is a recent issue of KODT, IIRC.
 
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  • Posted Sun Aug 9, 2009 2:13 am
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It is fully animorphic; no anthro critters, no Disneyfied talking animals, just real honest-to-goodness dawgs doing the things that dawgs do all the time. Incidentally, for the record, it was originally released in Knights of the Dinner Table #150 as a special bonus, but later released as a PDF product due to popular demand.

-Ash
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Issue 4 of Worlds of Cthulhu contained a modification of the main rules to allow you to play cats. The article was called "Cathulhu".
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Cool, thanks! I just added it to my "Want in Trade" page!
 
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  • Posted Thu Aug 6, 2009 8:09 pm
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The original Katzulhu rules appeared in Cthuloide Welten (Issue 1) and Cthuloide Welten (Issue 2) and were reissued in The Complete Dreamlands, specifically in http://rpg.geekdo.com/rpgversion/65584. All in German, of course, and hard to get.
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Cats & Cthulhu? Now that's crazy, I wonder how the author got that idea! Oh, wait... whistle
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CthIngo wrote:
Cats & Cthulhu? Now that's crazy, I wonder how the author got that idea! Oh, wait... whistle

I ordered this, it just arrived, and I now notice ... Ingo is the author! Nice job, Ingo, congrats!
 
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Actually, it is based on Felidae novel series (it's in German, but some books were translated to English). I watched Felidae movie, and it instantly made me think of Cathulhu.
 
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Now listed as its own RPG item: Cathulhu. There's a scenario in that issue of Worlds of Cthulhu, too.
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14. RPG: Creeks & Crawdads [Average Rating:7.00 Unranked]
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Oh yeah, I forgot about this one! I used to own a copy many years ago. Somebody needs to enter this (and the supplement!) in the database. Anybody have a copy?
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15. RPG: Ratten! [Average Rating:7.50 Overall Rank:222]
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This one's only in German at this point, but the publishers are talking about an English translation. Intelligent rats - sounds a bit like Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, one of my favorite books!
 
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16. RPG Item: Watership TSoY [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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A web-published homemade setting for The Shadow of Yesterday (Revised Edition), obviously with rabbits.
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17. RPG Item: The Noble Wild [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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This is how to play familiars in a d20 game setting. This can be either as a party completely composed of familiars, or as a single familiar in a party of humanoids, if the GM is willing. Over 60 species are covered, but it assumes you know the d20 system (3.5 compatible).

[Edit: removed my pejorative comments about the d20 system - my apologies for posting them here in the first place.]
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Jut remember, SOS, some of us find GURPS and FUDGE equally painful to read.
 
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apeloverage wrote:
Stefan, have you tried microlite20 ( www.microlite20.net ) ? It's intended to be useable with d20 material, but is very cut down.

I haven't yet, James, but I just downloaded it, thanks! So why haven't you added this at the item level here on rpg.geekdo.com? - If you do, no "deep linking" - that is, you can give a link to the page you list above, but not directly to the pdf files.

Thanks!

I do have to admit, though, that I'm very much in the "bell curve" camp when it comes to odds distribution, so my bias against d20 actually comes from having examined it mathematically. It's the high standard deviation and the flat distribution that get me. The idea that you can roll a 1 as often as 10 as often as 15 bothers me. But then, I admit I used a flat distribution system in one of my own games, so I can't really complain too much about it ...

But this isn't the place for such a discussion. Perhaps we should start a thread on it somewhere.
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It's already there: http://rpg.geekdo.com/rpg/2356

EDIT: blush
 
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Steffan O'Sullivan
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Plymouth
New Hampshire
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Yes, that's the RPG level. Still nothing at the item level, though, as I type this.
 
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  • Posted Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:56 am
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Steffan O'Sullivan
United States
Plymouth
New Hampshire
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Okay, I just entered the item record at:

Microlite20

Thanks again for pointing it out.
 
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  • Posted Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:43 am
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18. RPG Item: Dragon: A Little Game for Little Dragons [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
United States
Plymouth
New Hampshire
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A game to allow children to play dragons and go stomping through the countryside causing all the mayhem their little hearts desire. Until they meet a hero, that is ...
 
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19. RPG Item: eco [Average Rating:5.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
United States
Plymouth
New Hampshire
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Ah, I'm very happy to have found this one! It reminds me of the excellent young adult novel, Moon-Dark from Patricia Wrightson.

The PCs are animals who are Aware of the ecological crisis caused by humans and want to do something about it. The game details five distinct types of animal philosophical outlooks, ranging from apologists for humanity to those who want to wipe out humanity for the good of the planet, and some not in that spectrum at all.

The game includes a decent skill and talent list and details 15 different species to play (both domesticated and wild), with meta-rules for creating others, and nine NPC species.

There's a large section detailing a "sample" city and its environs, with lots of plot hooks provided.
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20. RPG: Tooth & Claw [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
Wulf Corbett
Scotland
Shotts
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Roleplay your favourite dinosaur.

Limitations: No thumbs, no purple
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Steffan O'Sullivan
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Plymouth
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Thanks, Wulf - you just beat me to it. I bought that one yesterday and haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
 
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  • Posted Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:53 pm
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21. RPG Item: Mundi Animalia [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
United States
Plymouth
New Hampshire
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I keep finding them! This one has claims to allow players to play very different scale animals - such as an elephant and an ant! - by using scale multipliers for combat. Uses a d20, but is not in the "d20 System".
 
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22. RPG Item: Hoard [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
United States
Plymouth
New Hampshire
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Yet another dragon game! This one is free on the internet, and looks quite interesting. Definitely no thumbs.
 
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23. RPG Item: Neverwhere [Average Rating:7.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
United States
Plymouth
New Hampshire
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Based on the Neil Gaiman book and BBC television series. In addition to the various human types, it's possible to play a sentient cat, dog, or rat in this game.
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24. RPG Item: The Nighttime Animals Save the World [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
United States
Plymouth
New Hampshire
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You can play a raccoon, an opossum, a skunk or a rabbit. And you get to save the world!
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25. RPG Item: Free20: Monkey Business [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
Steffan O'Sullivan
United States
Plymouth
New Hampshire
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You can play any type of "awakened" monkey or ape in this d20 Modern (or Pulp setting) supplement. All right, technically these have thumbs. I'm counting it, though!
 
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So I guess you don't want a thumbs up?
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  • Posted Fri Aug 7, 2009 2:27 pm
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Steffan O'Sullivan
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apeloverage wrote:
So I guess you don't want a thumbs up?



Reminds me of the joke that goes,

St. Patrick did *not* drive the snakes out of Ireland. What he did was to gather them together and say, "All who want to stay in Ireland raise their hands."
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  • Posted Fri Aug 7, 2009 2:33 pm
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Steffan O'Sullivan
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New Hampshire
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Honorable mention has to go to:

The Veggie Patch

in which the PCs are vegetables! Their worst nightmare is a cross-genre game with Bunnies & Burrows...
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  • Posted Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:58 pm
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