Gamist - A reference of a player who typically manipulates game rules to overcome challenges or win points.

Stelio - Also, we've avoided copying directly from any other Glossary sources. The original goal, as described by Dave, was to create the best Glossary "we" could. I believe we have the talent and know how available here to do just that.

Hey, I just ran into a term that might merit inclusion: "The 15-minute adventuring day".

Fifteen-minute adventuring day - A potential issue in some systems (D&D in particular) where the party expends all or most of its resources (hit points, spells, potions, daily powers, etc.,) in the first fight or two before being forced to retreat and rest overnight to refresh these abilities. The term comes from the relatively small amount of game time spent before retreating.

Meh, probably too wordy, but you get the picture. I don't know if it fits our criteria for inclusion or not; just ran into it for the first time and thought it was kind of interesting. YMMV.

P.S. The glossary itself should probably be edited to include/point back to this thread as well as/instead of the old one...

Maybe this should be called "time compression": When boring things like healing and such get compressed into a minute or so of real time. Kind of like how some RTS games allow you to compress time when combat isn't happening.

Jens (gruntl) - I don't want to sound off putting, just want to help everyone out. One of the things we have been trying to do with the Glossary is to ensure definitions are correct in their most commonly used form. To this end we like to include references as to were a term is used. It could be from actual books, RPG focused forums or other RPG websites. Offering references helps avoid rare or localized definitions of particular terms.

FWIW, I'm with Jens here. The entry for 'Gamist' does seem kind of odd. Do people really refer to themselves (or others) as 'gamists', kind of like John Wayne's last movie 'The Shootist'?

Dunno. Seems like if it's going to be in there, a GNS reference should be added. Also, yeah, the clunky bit at the beginning could be massaged...

And I've seen the term "caltrops" used to describe d4's plenty of times but it didn't make it into the glossary either....

Hmm, yes I understand that you want definitions that are actually the ones used by most people. But, to be honest, I've never seen Gamist being used in the context the glossary has. Maybe that's because I'm not playing in an english-speaking country. In any case I just felt the entry was not entirely correct and wanted to submit my idea on how it could be changed. If the community is happy with the definition as it stands, then keep it .

FWIW, I'm with Jens here. The entry for 'Gamist' does seem kind of odd. Do people really refer to themselves (or others) as 'gamists', kind of like John Wayne's last movie 'The Shootist'?

Dunno. Seems like if it's going to be in there, a GNS reference should be added. Also, yeah, the clunky bit at the beginning could be massaged...

Yes, and I can point you to threads on the Traveller boards anda couple other boards where the terms Narrativist, Gamist, and Simulationist are used in self-description.

I consider myself to be Simulationist-Narrativist.

But I have to ask, you claim that you want references for the entries, yet there is no reference for the entry as it is now? Or did you mean that you have a reference but that it's just not stated at the entry?

This was debated in the previous Glossary thread (which got so long that I retired it in favor of the new one here). I think we were split on including it - but the Hammer of Canadian Justice ruled it out for now. As with everything on the RPG Geek, however, it never hurts to have another round of debate and see if the decision will hold.

-Dave

Yes, and I can point you to threads on the Traveller boards anda couple other boards where the terms Narrativist, Gamist, and Simulationist are used in self-description.

I consider myself to be Simulationist-Narrativist.

Fair enough. But all that is still within a GNS context. I think the quibble has more to do with the fact that the definition as it stands reads (to some of us) more like an alternative version of 'power-gamer' than something GNSish.

P.S. Halfjack, for the love of god relent and put the bloody caltrops thingie in there already! This topic will clearly never die until you do. And it needs to.

Strictly speaking references aren't mandatory we just like them included to help with understanding a term and its use within RPG circles.

References are used in these discussion threads, not placed into the glossary. Not all terms require references. References were first requested by Halfjack in an attempt to ensure the glossary did not become bloated with terms and definitions which were not in common use. And I wholeheartedly agree with him.

Some terms really do not require a reference, Dungeon Master, Character, Fumble, etc are so commonly used that most often only people unfamiliar with RPGs need to have the terms defined. But other terms such as Fanon, Transhuman, Retro-Clone, etc. tend to be less commonly known. A reference simply helps with ensuring the small community self tasked with maintaining this glossary can fairly evaluate whether a term, and/or its definition, should be included.

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