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Steve Donohue
United States
Allen Park
Michigan
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Okay, so originally I was going to write "What would it take..." but of course I've written a few of these and know that nearly everyone would say "more time".
So the question now is, is there something RPG Geek could offer that would make you more inclined to write reviews?
I don't really need an incentive having already written about 30 this year, but I think it would be cool if reviews and sessions had separate microbadges for each domain. Maybe they should also figure into the Hall of Fame calculations. Over time, it will become impossible for people to enter the Hall of Fame using the current rules.
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Andrew Goenner
United States
Superior
Wisconsin
Running 5 PbFs
And still sane...mostly
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Microbadges would be nice. But I don't know if that would push me to write them. Between news articles, running several adventures here and two campaigns outside of here, work, and taking care of a toddler, it's hard to reprioritize for reviews (which is also why I've half given-up on my comic reviews for now).
I suppose some kind of a contest with a RPG PDF as prize or something would get me to do it, although even then I'm not sure.
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Brian Leet
United States
Montpelier
Vermont
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Hmm. As much as I really value reviews, I don't want them to be a pre-requisite to recognizing contributions on the site. Personally, I'm not sure there is much more directly to be offered. I just end up prioritizing my time differently in life.
I think the biggest interest and incentive I'd have is if I thought the review would generate commentary and discussion.
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Marshall Miller
United States
Medford
Massachusetts
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Writing a review of a game could score you the option of a free microbadge for that item.
Instead of GG, perhaps you could earn $ toward stuff in the geekstore (wishful thinking). I'd write 10 reviews for a promo item.
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Steve Donohue
United States
Allen Park
Michigan
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PghArch wrote: Hmm. As much as I really value reviews, I don't want them to be a pre-requisite to recognizing contributions on the site.
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
To my mind the biggest recognition for contributions is the Hall of Fame which recognizes only additions of things to the database. I think at some point it won't be possible for others to enter because the number of items which aren't entered is getting smaller.
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Brian Leet
United States
Montpelier
Vermont
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Ahh, I misinterpreted what you were getting at. I agree that in the future writing reviews will be a more available way to make contributions.
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Eric Dodd
New Zealand
Martinborough
Wairarapa
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Short of replacing the income I get from my actual job, there's not any more incentive I need to write more reviews. I just want to make sure there's some items left that I have access to come the daily reviews portion of the Iron Reviewer.
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DMSamuel
United States
Ithaca
New York
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I think a standard 4
 baseline would be good incentive. That is, the writer would get 4 for having written the review and having it be accepted via geekmod, and then whatever the geekmodders vote in terms of would be added on top of that.
Honestly there is no more incentive that I need, just more time. I have fallen off the review cart lately just due to work constraint on my time.
It would be cool if it counted towards the site contributions though!
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Peter
United States
Carol Stream
Illinois
See I told You
You'll Get Over It
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I'd wouldn't recommend any more automated, or Geek sponsored incentives than what is currently available. This may lead to imbalance among domains and or an inflation for all incentives for all contributions across the board.
I'd suggest user sponsored incentives though. Like Iron Reviewer, and such. If we hold more contests, say win a free avatar or offer extra Geek Gold bounties, I imagine this will help as incentives.
For me, little in the way of incentives will motivate me to do more. I enjoy offering what I can. Though Iron Reviewer has definitely caused me to write more reviews than I normally would have in the same amount of time other contributions I'd be making tend to suffer.
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Bruce McGeorge
United States
Lawrenceburg
Indiana
Hey you kids, get off my Avatar!
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There really isn't any realistic incentive to get me to write more reviews.
If I played more, I'd definitely write more.
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MSV Burns
United States
Olympia
Washington
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For me, it's not really a lack of incentives. A shot at a little bit of GG seems adequate, although the way our little currency has inflated lessens that value a bit.
I just don't feel like I have adequate breadth of knowledge to be able to write a review that has much value. Perhaps this is overly self-critical; different points of view can definitely be useful when trying to evaluate a product. However, I bet there are many like me out there.
And of course if everybody thought like me, we wouldn't have any reviews at all, so therein lies another quandary. Hmmm.
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Maurice Tousignant
Canada
Windsor
Ontario
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Cash.
I'm somewhat serious.
The reason I don't have the time is generally because I'm working. If you could replace the income I would loose if I spent my time writing reviews...
If it's not work then it's play. I don't really want to give up my hobby time to write a review about that hobby. I would rather be playing. Now if you could give me enough money to support that hobby. New books, suppliments, pdfs...
EDIT: more realistically - set a review limit. If you submit that many you get free supporter status for the next year. Having those ads go away is well worth my review time.
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Peter
United States
Carol Stream
Illinois
See I told You
You'll Get Over It
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GilvanBlight wrote: EDIT: more realistically - set a review limit. If you submit that many you get free supporter status for the next year. Having those ads go away is well worth my review time.
This is already done, sort of. By submitting content, reviews include, you get . That Geek Gold can be exchanged for ad free time, though not a year at a time, you could potentially earn enough to pay off up to a year.
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Chris Talbot
Canada
Fort Smith
Northwest Territories
Be seeing you... -Alphonse
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Cold, hard cash. I wouldn't enjoy writing RPG reviews, so it would feel like any other client writing project. That means revenue is a requirement.
Thankfully, there are many here who enjoy writing reviews and do so regularly, so there doesn't seem to be a lack of review content.
Chris
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Maurice Tousignant
Canada
Windsor
Ontario
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You would have to write a ton of reviews for that. I was paying per month to keep the ads gone. My reviews I had submitted so far (back when I was putting them up pretty regularly) only covered me for about 2 months.
I guess taking DMSamuel's suggestion and upping the amount of GG you get could off set that a bit.
I would be much more interested in getting 'free' supportership for say 20 reviews though.
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Kevin H.
United States
Crescent City
California
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You "gimmee cash" people are greedy. I'd do it for a review copy....
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Freelance Police
United States
Palo Alto
California
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dysjunct wrote: You "gimmee cash" people are greedy. I'd do it for a review copy....
Hardcover or PDF? 
For the gamers who have time to review, I'd think most publishers would be *very* happy to supply you with a PDF review copy. It costs them nothing and provides them free advertising. You'd also post your review on other RPG sites, such as RPG.net.
EDIT: You can, of course, do this *now* without any prompting from BGG. I should add that, if you give them links to your written reviews and ask nicely, publishers will also provide a hardcopy. You can also go to the DriveThroughRPG site and download *free* RPG material.
One thought is for the BGG Admins to contact PDF publishers for a review copy that they can then distribute to the Iron Reviewers et al. Myself, I'm a big fan of the Call of Cthulhu RPG and enjoy reading adventures for CoC.
BGG could go one further and *sell* PDF copies, or even RPG materials, through the BGG store. Reviewers would enter a coupon code for a free PDF download, or something.
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Andrew Goenner
United States
Superior
Wisconsin
Running 5 PbFs
And still sane...mostly
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Sam and Max wrote: dysjunct wrote: You "gimmee cash" people are greedy. I'd do it for a review copy.... Hardcover or PDF? For the gamers who have time to review, I'd think most publishers would be *very* happy to supply you with a PDF review copy. It costs them nothing and provides them free advertising. You'd post your review on other RPG sites, such as RPG.net. One thought is for the BGG Admins to contact PDF publishers for a review copy that they can then distribute to the Iron Reviewers et al. Myself, I'm a big fan of the Call of Cthulhu RPG and enjoy reading adventures for CoC. BGG could go one further and *sell* PDF copies, or even RPG materials, through the BGG store. Reviewers would enter a coupon code for a free PDF download, or something.
I don't consider myself greedy, but I would definitely do my best to pound out reviews if it was something along these lines.
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Mario Perez
United States
Worland
WY
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Cash. And a ghostwriter.
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Bifford Van Bifford (Sam)
England
Semington
Wiltshire
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Well, since joining BGG/RPGG about a month ago I have been doing my damndest to:
review boardgames & rpgs that I have;
Input or update info on boardgames & rpgs that I have;
Score things I have or play at my local boardgame group;
Write session reports on the game we started last week at my newly formed rpg group!;
Give thumbs and gg where I see fit;
give advice, info & help where I can;
Downloaded as many free rpgs from here and drivethrurpg/rpgnow as I can with the intent to run and review and session report them when possible.
In return I've gained gg which allowed me to set up a guild for my rpg group, been given thumbs and gg as thanks, gained gg for an avatar and microbadge.
I like the gg/thumbs system but I do worry that it's just going to pile up and I'll end up throwing it at other people when they need it.
So, to come back to the OP question:
I personally would love to be given a freebee board game, or RPG (book mainly but pdf is okay too) as currently my shelf is pretty devoid of books and I have next to no eurogames (Id love Dixit, Dominion and Tales of the Arabian Nights!). But then this a huge ask and I know its not going to happen!  lol.
I like the free alpha/beta pdf/book from games makers idea also! happy to help there.
And it might be somewhat big-headed but I keep half expecting to be the next Geek of the Week! lmao
Sam / Bifford
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Wouter Dhondt
Belgium
Anzegem
My armor is contempt. My shield is disgust. My sword is hatred. In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
When I now saw this Coppelius, the frightful and terrific thought took possession of my soul, that indeed no one but he could be the Sandman.
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Astinex wrote: GilvanBlight wrote: EDIT: more realistically - set a review limit. If you submit that many you get free supporter status for the next year. Having those ads go away is well worth my review time.
This is already done, sort of. By submitting content, reviews include, you get . That Geek Gold can be exchanged for ad free time, though not a year at a time, you could potentially earn enough to pay off up to a year.
Have you done the math? 30 days of adblock is 20 geekgold. So a year is 240 geekgold. At 4 GG a review (and that's high) this would be 60 reviews a year (or 5 a month). At 3 GG which is what you usually get this would be 80 reviews a year or almost 7 reviews a month. Not gonna happen.
Either way, I'm bad at writing, so I've written 0 reviews for RPGs so far. That, and time constraints. I don't even have the time to read all of the books I buy.
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Make it easier to post the fraking reviews!
Seriously, I try to enter a new product. Say it's text only, no artist. I try to create an entry for it and I can't because it has no artist but the damn review system won't let me leave the artist field blank.
Or it has an artist or writer or editor that isn't on the list. Oops. Can't create the review unless I'm willing to add entries in the artist, writer, editor or whatever section.
Sometimes I'm just not willing to jump thru all the damn hoops you have to to review a product that isn't already listed, it's just too damn hard and frustrating. There have been times I tried to review something only to finally just say "Frak this! It's not worth it!"
Want more reviews? Make it easier to submit them. That's it.
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DMSamuel
United States
Ithaca
New York
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Judge Death wrote: Seriously, I try to enter a new product. Say it's text only, no artist. I try to create an entry for it and I can't because it has no artist but the damn review system won't let me leave the artist field blank.
Generally, if there is no artist, I use the (uncredited) option and it lets you submit that way. I think that was specifically put in place so that things could be entered without an artist. The same thing works for other person fields. just type in uncre into the search field and the (uncredited) option will show up for you to choose.
Judge Death wrote: Or it has an artist or writer or editor that isn't on the list. Oops. Can't create the review unless I'm willing to add entries in the artist, writer, editor or whatever section.
You can add the person in a new window and then search for them on your entry that you had already started and they will now show up even if they haven't been approved yet. In that way you can add a new person at the same time as adding a new item.
Judge Death wrote: Sometimes I'm just not willing to jump thru all the damn hoops you have to to review a product that isn't already listed, it's just too damn hard and frustrating. There have been times I tried to review something only to finally just say "Frak this! It's not worth it!"
It seems to me that you are having problems with the item entry system and not the work of actually reviewing them. So... just wait for the items to be entered and accepted and then review them, that way you won't have to enter them into the system.
Judge Death wrote: Want more reviews? Make it easier to submit them. That's it.
I actually don't think the system of item entry at RPGGeek is all that bad. It allows for a consistent approach that works for the type of data we have here.
I think it's pretty streamlined, actually, and quite like it.
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Rhiannon D
Australia
Sydney
Until I see a footnote, that's just an opinion.
All the fine traditions and the skill/ Come from my elders from the long line down/ Are mine to use, to raise our craft's renown/ And mine to teach again with reverent will.
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lorddillon wrote:
It seems to me that you are having problems with the item entry system and not the work of actually reviewing them. So... just wait for the items to be entered and accepted and then review them, that way you won't have to enter them into the system.
true - the mechanical side of submitting a review for an existing product is incredibly easy.
But as an aside - where do you people find things that aren't in the database? I've never even searched for something that turned out not to be there.
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Jaime Lawrence
Australia
Sydney
New South Wales
See Below.
Evil Bob: Lawful good since 2038!
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Airdrop me some time.
Edit: Just read the first post. I don't think there's anything that could reasonably be done to make me review more stuff. The truth is that the rewards for writing them are pretty big here already.
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