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Geoffrey Burrell
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Is it me or are soccer injuries are that bad? Is it just acting or is it legit?
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GeoffreyB wrote:
Is it just acting or is it legit?


Sometimes it is acting (aka diving or simulation). Sometimes it's embellishment. Sometimes it's legit.

While soccer is the sport most often ridiculed for the practice, it's everywhere.
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brumcg wrote:
GeoffreyB wrote:
Is it just acting or is it legit?


Sometimes it is acting (aka diving or simulation). Sometimes it's embellishment. Sometimes it's legit.

While soccer is the sport most often ridiculed for the practice, it's everywhere.


I'm not sure how the Refs don't die from paper cuts from the cards they gotta throw
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I think there’s an easy fix: any injury so severe that it stops play requires that the injured player sit out for the rest of the game.

Since, if they’re really hurt that badly, they should be resting to prevent further injury.
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dysjunct wrote:
I think there’s an easy fix


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I think there’s an easy fix: any injury so severe that it stops play requires that the injured player sit out for the rest of the game.

Since, if they’re really hurt that badly, they should be resting to prevent further injury.

I'm not sure additional incentive to injure the other team's best players is really needed.
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It's nothing like the good old days, when Vinnie Jones would drive a large Mercedes to a fight and occasionally a game of football would break out.
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Honestly, there's a lot of acting at the professional level because the reward for earning a free kick is much greater than embarrassing yourself by overreacting to barely getting touched.

Looking at last Summer's World Cup, 42% of goals were scored off of set plays or set-pieces (free kicks, corner kicks, and penalties). For comparison, that was the highest ever: 1998 (36%), 2002 (29%), 2014 (27%), 2010 (24%). Basically professional players have gotten much better offensively from a set play. If you know that 30 - 40% of your goals are going to come from a set-piece, it certainly benefits you to attempt to "earn a foul call."

You notice I said "at the professional level" in the first sentence. That's because at that level, the players are so good the earning a free kick or penalty from "flailing" on a foul offers tremendous chance to score rather than simply attempting to score through the course of play. Kids and high schoolers just flail and act because they see it on TV. They'r not going to score from 35 yards out.

All that being said, I did play soccer from age 5 - 18, and when someone kicks you hard or pushes you down, it does hurt. Often times it hurts a lot. You're not wearing any pads except for shin guards. But it does go away pretty quick by walking it off. Still, you're going to react when someone steps on your toe or heal while you're running full speed.

One time as a sophomore in high school, I had a knee-to-knee collision with the goalie and it was probably the most painful thing that had happened to me in my life to that point. In my mind, I thought I had fractured my kneecap. I definitely rolled on the ground in pain. My teammates even scored on the play, but the ref called it back and gave our team a free kick where I fell (Probably due to my legitimate antics.) Interestingly enough, my knee stopped hurting within 5 - 10 minutes and I was good to go. (I also felt pretty foolish.)

So there you have it. The acting on fouls is (unfortunately) part of the game. But know that the higher end federations are trying to clean that up. They know fans don't want to see idiots rolling around on the ground (nor do they want to see players getting fouled or injured). People want to see good soccer actually being played. Therefore, referees are being trained to not be fooled by flagrant acting, and even use the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) to verify if there was a legitimate foul or not. Players can get a yellow card for flailing.

Hopefully the acting diminishes over the years because it's stupid.
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Compare this to pro cycling. Dudes will get up and race with broke bones, missing teeth, concussion, whatever. Soccer falls are 99% bad acting for sure.

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E Decker wrote:
dysjunct wrote:
I think there’s an easy fix: any injury so severe that it stops play requires that the injured player sit out for the rest of the game.

Since, if they’re really hurt that badly, they should be resting to prevent further injury.

I'm not sure additional incentive to injure the other team's best players is really needed.


This also has an easy fix. I first saw this proposed for American Football but it would work for Association Football as well:

Before the game, each coach submits a ranked list of players to the head referee. (E.g. your best player is #1, second is #2, and so on to the end of your roster.
If one of team A’s players leaves due to injury, then team B must permanently remove (for the rest of the game) one of their players of an equal or higher rank than the player on team A.

So if you take out the other team’s star player, you lose your own as well.
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dysjunct wrote:
This also has an easy fix.


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I play football on Mondays, just a friendly kick around, and you wouldn't believe the number of injuries we get

But yeah, as for professional footballers and their over-reactions to the slightest knock - it does my head in and is the main reason I could never get into watching football in a serious way. Rugby all the way for me.
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I've posted this elsewhere, but it's soooo good:



There's no easy answer to this, despite dysjunct's breezy solution. Players get injured in contact sports (and, yes, soccer is a contact sport) all the time. Usually it's something you can work out in a minute or two; in American football, the game stops constantly to allow that, or you can substitute out. In soccer, the clock keeps going, and once you sub out you are out for good. If I'm a player who rolls an ankle, or gets tackled spikes-up, I need a few minutes to recover.

Worse, if there's a head-to-head collision, the game needs to stop to protect the players. That's a lesson we've certainly learned from American football!

That said, the acting is very aggravating. It's the #2 reason my wife dislikes soccer (#1 being over-intense parents at games for six-year olds...).
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