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45 years ago today, D&D Alpha woodgrain box was released.

And the rest was well, history.
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I don't think I've ever had such a long running hobby as this one. And it is still going strong.


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Technically, the first RPG was Braunstein III.
Blackmoor was the first intentional RPG.
D&D was the first published, and was derived from Blackmoor. So RPG's themselves are about 50 now.

Tho, technically, one could consider Kriegspiel (1880s) or Diplomacy (1960 or so) as the first RPGs, but they lack the character focus.
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I'm going over to sit with two of the grandkids later this evening. I always load up some stuff to do and/or read after they go to bed. Before I saw your post, I had packed a bag with the Dungeons & Dragons Starter Set, the Player's Handbook, Maze of the Blue Medusa, and a library copy of Empire of Imagination, the Gygax biography. Won't get to most of it, of course, but it's appropriate to the occasion that I didn't opt to take boardgame stuff as I normally do.
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MWChapel wrote:
45 years ago today, D&D Alpha woodgrain box was released.

Happy Birthday, D&D! thumbsup
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Do we have an official day when D&D was first published?

In any case, here's to the next 45!
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Happy birthday D&D! You introduced me to tabletop RPGs, and I have never looked back since!
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E Decker wrote:
Do we have an official day when D&D was first published?

In any case, here's to the next 45!


Not an exacting science, but it was more of an unofficially day.
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Well, not a huge d20 fan here, but it is the game that really started the whole thing!

So happy birthday, you old sod! You spawned wonderful children! meeple
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aramis wrote:
Technically, the first RPG was Braunstein III.
Blackmoor was the first intentional RPG.
D&D was the first published, and was derived from Blackmoor. So RPG's themselves are about 50 now.


There are many people who disagree with Arneson's view of history and do not think that D&D developed much from Blackmoor.

With that said, one can make the simple point that the lightbulb existed before Edison, but it was the Edison light that was able to become the commercial success. In the same way, there may have been something before Gygax published D&D, but if it was not for D&D being published by Gygax, then D&D/RPGs would not have taken off.
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SteamCraft wrote:
aramis wrote:
Technically, the first RPG was Braunstein III.
Blackmoor was the first intentional RPG.
D&D was the first published, and was derived from Blackmoor. So RPG's themselves are about 50 now.


There are many people who disagree with Arneson's view of history and do not think that D&D developed much from Blackmoor.
Given that Dave Weseley also gives the same chronicle as Dave Arneson, and that Gygax was notoriously self-aggrandizing... and that the court ruled against Gygax's claims of Dave not having earned coauthor credit...

In short, Gygax is at best an unreliable source, at worst a flat-out fraud.

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aramis wrote:
SteamCraft wrote:
aramis wrote:
Technically, the first RPG was Braunstein III.
Blackmoor was the first intentional RPG.
D&D was the first published, and was derived from Blackmoor. So RPG's themselves are about 50 now.


There are many people who disagree with Arneson's view of history and do not think that D&D developed much from Blackmoor.
Given that Dave Weseley also gives the same chronicle as Dave Arneson, and that Gygax was notoriously self-aggrandizing... and that the court ruled against Gygax's claims of Dave not having earned coauthor credit...

In short, Gygax is at best an unreliable source, at worst a flat-out fraud.


Given that both parties are self-interested and that others besides Gygax have taken Gygax's account, I am not sure we can say that Arneson is a reliable source either.
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SteamCraft wrote:
aramis wrote:
SteamCraft wrote:
aramis wrote:
Technically, the first RPG was Braunstein III.
Blackmoor was the first intentional RPG.
D&D was the first published, and was derived from Blackmoor. So RPG's themselves are about 50 now.


There are many people who disagree with Arneson's view of history and do not think that D&D developed much from Blackmoor.
Given that Dave Weseley also gives the same chronicle as Dave Arneson, and that Gygax was notoriously self-aggrandizing... and that the court ruled against Gygax's claims of Dave not having earned coauthor credit...

In short, Gygax is at best an unreliable source, at worst a flat-out fraud.


Given that both parties are self-interested and that others besides Gygax have taken Gygax's account, I am not sure we can say that Arneson is a reliable source either.


I'm not really interested in some idea four guys dicked around with in their basement written on notebooks for a few years. D&D came out in January 1974, and it was the first 'real' RPG the world ever knew. Before that it was just a fleshing out idea.
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This is mere speculation on my part, but the game's 50th anniversary seems like the perfect occasion to announce/release D&D 6e. Unless WotC change their ways, that is.
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MWChapel wrote:
E Decker wrote:
Do we have an official day when D&D was first published?

In any case, here's to the next 45!


Not an exacting science, but it was more of an unofficially day.


Jon revisited the question today.
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Roll for initiative.


LOL!!! I'm gonna have to go with this for sure!

I rolled a 6 plus 4 because of my 18 DEX. Beat that!
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MWChapel wrote:
45 years ago today, D&D Alpha woodgrain box was released.

And the rest was well, history.


Wow. Crazy man.
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aramis wrote:
Technically, the first RPG was Braunstein III.
Blackmoor was the first intentional RPG.
D&D was the first published, and was derived from Blackmoor. So RPG's themselves are about 50 now.

Tho, technically, one could consider Kriegspiel (1880s) or Diplomacy (1960 or so) as the first RPGs, but they lack the character focus.


If you delve into the history of (miniature) wargaming, there were many ideas floating around (pre 74) that would now be recognized as rpg’s.
E.g. Michael Korns miniature wargaming rules (1966) required each player represented by a single figure, telling an umpire what they wanted to do, and getting feedback. The setting was modern combat, and in some sense related to umpire-driven free kriegsspiel.

See also the ideas of imaginary worlds (what we now call imaginations), with Tony Bath running wargaming campaigns set in Hyboria in the 50s and 60s.

But the unique mix of single characters, character advancement (an important succesful ingredient of the game often overlooked) and fantasy setting, indeed originated in the late 60s, early 70s.

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DadsAngry wrote:
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Roll for initiative.


MONKEY BOY!
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